's potential to get a sizable deal but as you pointed out with rand paul and jim demint, they were never going to come to the table for a deal that both parties could stomach, at least. so i don't think that john boehner is particularly worried about those two and some republicans on the far right not voting with him anyway. >> who then is worried about in he said that the president needs to talk at a table. they were at a holiday party. not the location perhaps to discuss the fiscal cliff but to show civility and speaker boehner as we understand it didn't go over to talk with the president as he is in the president's house technically. so, i mean, what do we make here? what's the logical next step, erin? >> there is frustration on capitol hill of a breakdown in communications between the white house and republicans on capitol hill. i talked to several republicans around here yesterday who are upset that president obama and some of his staff haven't been to the hill to meet with them so i don't actually know the next step and a breakdown in communication. >> keith, do you buy that, that there'